Comments on: Heroic Nexus Is the Birthplace of Bad PuGs

By: Oilcan

Oilcan — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:11:10 +0000

Folks often confuse “entry-level” with “easy”.

In game, 5-mans exist to develop skill and experience needed for future raids: stand here, don’t stand there, target/tank switches, do this, don’t do that.

When folks hit 80 running few regular 5s and jump into Heroics because they’re “supposed to”, they are often ignorant of any group mechanics and quite surprised at the complexity of some.

In any pug, I always remind myself that the person next to me may have bought their toon yesterday….

By: Hugmenot

Hugmenot — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:23:24 +0000

I have pugged heroic Nexus 20 times and until yesterday, all were positive experience.

My group was in the queue when I received a whisper from a mage stating “Need a mage? I do AWESOME dps!”. I invited him to the group and we enter the instance a minute after. He goes directly to the first mob and start DPSing. The elemental shaman and beast mastery hunter run after him and the hunter turns his pet’s taunt on. They killed the mob while the healer remained seated. I told the mage if he wants to pull, he can tank too.

We go down the first ramp when I see them mage blink in front of me and starts a frostbolt at max distance. I do nothing, being curious what he will do.
The frostbolt hits the caster and the two beasts start running towards him, gaining separation from caster. He frost nova one beast and runs forward, further away from the group. He finally ice blocked and now we have three mobs which are spread out over 30 yards. I picked the trash up and we killed them.

I asked the mage what was he doing and he responded this is the best strategy to maximize his damage done. We had a little chat but to no avail; I removed him from group after the next pull when he did the same thing again…

By: Tamarind

Tamarind — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:42:23 +0000

My favourite part of doing Nexus with a failpug is when they won’t jump or move. “Just heal thru” they say, accumulating a massive stacking debuff … joy!

By: Durkonkell

Durkonkell — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:28:25 +0000

Every single bad PUG I’ve had recently has been, without exception, in the Nexus. The fact that it’s seen as an ‘entry level’ heroic does seem to attract incompetence. Maybe that’s a little harsh; It seems standard now for new 80s to jump right into heroics without visiting normal instances at all. Perhaps it’s simply ignorance, not understanding how the rules change at the level cap.

I’m pretty sick of the thrice-accursed Halo-themed place now, and killing Keristrasza always makes me sad…

By: James

James — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:28:53 +0000

Yeah nexus can be fail, I have pulled a few new 80s through there, them going wow so much dps, and me going whats your hit rating? that leads to mucho discussion and gearing conversations. Looking back on them now it seems like Nexus is a lets learn the basics for how to raid. Switch targets on anomulous, make sure to take down the split chick who will silence or shep your healer first, and, watch out for ground things(ormonk), and move and dps on dragon woman.

Alot going on, and for many it can be eye opening.

I think things are easier now with well geared folks being able to pull others through heroics, months ago it was worse. I have found that pugchecker.com is my friend

By: Ninjaoctopus

Ninjaoctopus — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:45:14 +0000

Nice tree picture, Pike. Made me giggle.

I’ve yet to PuG Nexus sadly. The only PuG I’ve been in to do a Heroic was CoS and that didn’t go too well D:

At least you got some giggles from your PuG adventures!

By: Delnan

Delnan — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:29:48 +0000

Having a prot pally as a co-main, I have to agree with the posters who say a pally tank with mana issues = a fail pally tank. Even if Divine Plea (which he really has no excuse to not have up as any decent tank spec will have it refresh whenever he smacks something and the glyph gives him damage reduction to boot) and BoSanc aren’t enough to keep his mana up, he’s got Seal and Judgment of Wisdom to keep his mana up – I have maybe a point in Spiritual Attunement and I really don’t have mana issues at all.

That said, I ran into a PUG with a tank like that a couple of days ago. Pally tank did not keep divine plea up and had lots of mana issues. He also had 500 defense and got hit HARD, to the point where the healer let me and a DK die in the mage boss because they were so focused on keeping the tank up. That and a ret pally who kept spamming healing recount and i almost quit the party.

By: Ngita

Ngita — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:48:40 +0000

I love the tree picture it had me laughing out loud. Yea Heroic nexus does have a reputation as somewhere you can go when you cant handle the harder heroics.

Heroic AN was mentioned, I had some horror runs their as a new tree. Tanks that cant hold aggro against heals and dps that dont dps the right target will wipe you quicky on that first boss.

By: Lupius

Lupius — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:07:32 +0000

Had a pally tank like that last night. He was new to tanking and would run out of mana by the 2nd consecrate. He knew he wasn’t doing it right, but after I mentioned divine plea 3 times throughout the run, he still hasn’t managed to find it in his spellbook…

By: Nochecazador

Nochecazador — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:06:19 +0000

More thoughts:

Unless over geared, which this tank was not, how could he have mana issues. We have Spiritual Attunement (plus glyph, Divine Plea (plus glyph), Guarded by the Light, and Blessing of Sanctuary.

If he still has a mana issue I am dumbfounded.