Comments on: Good news everyone!

By: yunk

yunk — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:13:06 +0000

ok thanks, I didn’t think they’d make our hit scale to pet expertise as well. I missed that part, that is great.

By: Echo

Echo — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:54:49 +0000

Kate – if you think Sarth is a bitch try Mimiron on hard mode. Fire. Freaking everywhere. 4 or so abilities that will one shot them and lots of raid damage.

I think BM will get a significant buff at some point they’re just wary of making it the only viable spec again. I mean, I pressed 1macro button for most fights outside of misdirecting for an entire expansion.

By: Pike

Pike — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:15:11 +0000

@ Yunk – In the next content patch a hit-capped hunter will have a hit- and expertise-capped pet.

@ Noah – Well, that’s a reason why a hunter, Beast Masters in particular, hits “lighter” than other classes do. When playing my druid as boomkin I was getting these huge crits that I’d never see on my hunter. But it’s because a hunter has a pet doing a lot of damage– boomkin pets last thirty seconds and are on a long cooldown. =P So it sort of works out.

By: Kate

Kate — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:37:18 +0000

Given how hard it is to keep pets alive on certain boss fights (oh, how I loathe Sartharion) I suspect they’ve decided that they don’t care how much damage the pets do, since most hunters won’t be able to keep them up the whole time anyway. >.<

I am excited about the buffs, though!

By: WB

WB — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:32:01 +0000

Actually, I think somewhere along the way, Blizz changed its mind about BM and pet damage. Part of the problem in 3.01 was that hunters were scaling really well with level, but less so with gear, so BM hunters in blues and greens were hitting Naxx and PETS were outdpsing some classes that were more gear dependent. As gear accumulation progressed, other classes scaled up, but the “image” had been created that BM pets produced too much DPS. Blizz introduced 3.08 and everyone switched. (Anyone remember the graphs on BRK that showed before and after lvl 80 hunter spec populations?)

Problem was that Blizz didn’t seem to have a clear idea of what each tree would do. If you want each to be viable, but also have a different flavor, the SV was steady dps with traps and Ex shot, MM provided some nice burst with chimera, rapid fire, and Readiness. And BM was….. what?

It makes sense to push BM to rely heavily on the Beast part of the equation. So many cool pet-related talents are in that tree. But I think it’s taken blizz a while to come back to the realization.

By: yunk

yunk — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:31:44 +0000

I don’t see why expertise would be obsolete with gear scaling, since it’s not like we’re going to be using expertise gear. Hit is fine but after accounting for the default miss due to level the pet still needs to get past the dodges (or parries/blocks if the pet is tanking). Is something else going to be giving the pet expertise? Or will 10% ap make up for it.

By: Noah

Noah — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:08:31 +0000

If pets fully scale from Crit, ArPen and Haste, isn’t there a risk of the BM Hunter (or any Hunter really) running with essentially two characters? If the pets end up scaling so well from all the Hunter’s abilities, the pet could potentially end up being a whole separate character.

I don’t ask this in a criticising way, but as a real question.

By: Pike

Pike — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:50:40 +0000

@ Dhorvin – Those are some of the changes I am referring to. Ghostcrawler said they are going to try to stuff as much pet scaling with Crit/ArPen/Haste/etc. as they can before the patch hits. Will it happen? Dunno, but it IS being worked on.

@ Noah – that was part of the reason they nerfed BM yes. They have also stated that they dislike pets doing the bulk of the hunter’s damage though.

I think it would be relatively easy to put a few more sans-pet hunter buffs in the Beast Master talents. It sort of surprises me that Blizzard hasn’t yet.

By: Dhorvin

Dhorvin — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:42:37 +0000

These are still just band-aid changes at best. Until Blizzard lets our pets scale with all of the Crit, ArP, & Haste we collect on our gear, BM scaling is going to remain as terrible as ever, and its dps is going to keep falling behind as gear improves.

By: Noah

Noah — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:19:50 +0000

Is that why they nerfed BM though, because pets were doing too much damage over the Hunter? I thought the nerf was because the BM spec was *the* spec to have as both Hunter and pet were doing a lot of damage and at the time BM Hunters could pretty much macro their entire arsenal to one key. It was basically a high DPS easy to play spec and thus nerfed.

As it is now I think BM is the hardest spec to play well and it’s the lowest dps provider so it’s the opposite of what it used to be and definitely needs a boost. Problem is, the only way BM dps can be buffed is through the pet as any other changes would affect all Hunter specs and thus boost the dps of Marks and Survival, leaving BM behind yet again.
I suppose they could tweak some of the BM talents allow the Hunter do do increased damage but I’m no longer familiar enough with the spec to see where this could be done.

That said, the change to Animal Handler is fantastic and those big red pets are going to be even more dangerous than they were before. I hope this makes BM more “competitive” as I’d like to see more of them around in raids, if only for variety’s sake.