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		<title>By: Elnoriah&#8217;s Escapade to the Winter Wonder Land &#171; Plagued Candles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elnoriah&#8217;s Escapade to the Winter Wonder Land &#171; Plagued Candles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is almost a certainty that almost all of you read Pike&#8217;s Blog, so you should know that she has recently finished her experiments on trying out each hunter spec [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to the Week Of Marksmanship!

I have tried to get into Survival but I just can&#039;t do it. It doesn&#039;t at all feel Huntery and it&#039;s a spec that should totally feel Huntery - Like I&#039;m out there living by the skin of my tusks, scavenging and eking out a living by fighting tricky and with guerilla tactics. Instead, it&#039;s like a Warlock managing DoTs and procs.

Of course Marksman feels like a clunky Mage but it&#039;s at least got the whole gun-and-run thing going on which is handy. Not very Marksman-like though (odd that Survivalists get Sniper Training and Marksmen get Readiness but what can you do. I believe this is the same logic that gives my cat and wolf Spider&#039;s Bite and my spider Roar Of Recovery).

BM really is the spec that most feels like a Hunter and it&#039;s the one I&#039;m the absolute worst at playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to the Week Of Marksmanship!</p>
<p>I have tried to get into Survival but I just can&#8217;t do it. It doesn&#8217;t at all feel Huntery and it&#8217;s a spec that should totally feel Huntery &#8211; Like I&#8217;m out there living by the skin of my tusks, scavenging and eking out a living by fighting tricky and with guerilla tactics. Instead, it&#8217;s like a Warlock managing DoTs and procs.</p>
<p>Of course Marksman feels like a clunky Mage but it&#8217;s at least got the whole gun-and-run thing going on which is handy. Not very Marksman-like though (odd that Survivalists get Sniper Training and Marksmen get Readiness but what can you do. I believe this is the same logic that gives my cat and wolf Spider&#8217;s Bite and my spider Roar Of Recovery).</p>
<p>BM really is the spec that most feels like a Hunter and it&#8217;s the one I&#8217;m the absolute worst at playing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chris - I am definitely still playing The Tree, (although for some reason people always want her as a Boomkin right now o.O), however, I want to keep the blog primarily hunter-focused so I am doing stuff on my hunter alongside The Tree.

The Tree is making good progress, she&#039;s gone from early-level-73 to over halfway through 74 in a couple of days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chris &#8211; I am definitely still playing The Tree, (although for some reason people always want her as a Boomkin right now o.O), however, I want to keep the blog primarily hunter-focused so I am doing stuff on my hunter alongside The Tree.</p>
<p>The Tree is making good progress, she&#8217;s gone from early-level-73 to over halfway through 74 in a couple of days.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bored of the Tree already, Pike?  (Should&#039;ve gone with the Horde Bear...)

Actually, I think when you get the knack of the other hunter specs, and are rewarded with big, fat crit numbers, the like of which you rarely ever saw as a BM, you&#039;ll get a charge out of it like when you tried 53/11/7 for the first time, and found it Good.  Your Tree could start to feel neglected.

That&#039;s been my experience for the last two weeks.  I&#039;m seeing 6K Chimera crits, 12K Kill crits, and I&#039;ve even had a couple Kill Shots crit for 18K.  That&#039;s just sick.

I think those of us BM Hunters who&#039;ve stubbornly kept to the spec while we progressed through WotLK raids have gotten very, very good at getting maximum damage out of our spec.  There are a lot of &quot;average&quot; Survival hunters out there, and I don&#039;t find it difficult to beat them by hundreds of DPS on Patchwerk, even when I&#039;m comparatively undergeared.  (I love giving the impression to non-Hunters that BM is OP.)

But take that skill, and put it into Marks or Survival, and I think you&#039;re going to see a whole new level of performance.  For me, MM was the way to go because I didn&#039;t feel like restacking my gear for Agility.  And it turns out the MM shot rotation (or priority) isn&#039;t as difficult as I&#039;d feared.

I&#039;m afraid my BM raiding days will be limited until Bliz fixes the pet scaling issues.  In the meantime, maybe my Devilsaur and your Tree could arrange a play date...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bored of the Tree already, Pike?  (Should&#8217;ve gone with the Horde Bear&#8230;)</p>
<p>Actually, I think when you get the knack of the other hunter specs, and are rewarded with big, fat crit numbers, the like of which you rarely ever saw as a BM, you&#8217;ll get a charge out of it like when you tried 53/11/7 for the first time, and found it Good.  Your Tree could start to feel neglected.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s been my experience for the last two weeks.  I&#8217;m seeing 6K Chimera crits, 12K Kill crits, and I&#8217;ve even had a couple Kill Shots crit for 18K.  That&#8217;s just sick.</p>
<p>I think those of us BM Hunters who&#8217;ve stubbornly kept to the spec while we progressed through WotLK raids have gotten very, very good at getting maximum damage out of our spec.  There are a lot of &#8220;average&#8221; Survival hunters out there, and I don&#8217;t find it difficult to beat them by hundreds of DPS on Patchwerk, even when I&#8217;m comparatively undergeared.  (I love giving the impression to non-Hunters that BM is OP.)</p>
<p>But take that skill, and put it into Marks or Survival, and I think you&#8217;re going to see a whole new level of performance.  For me, MM was the way to go because I didn&#8217;t feel like restacking my gear for Agility.  And it turns out the MM shot rotation (or priority) isn&#8217;t as difficult as I&#8217;d feared.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid my BM raiding days will be limited until Bliz fixes the pet scaling issues.  In the meantime, maybe my Devilsaur and your Tree could arrange a play date&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Watermist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watermist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah, I meant fun as in &quot;Lots of fun,&quot; not &quot;Lots of fin.&quot; Oh, typos~! XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah, I meant fun as in &#8220;Lots of fun,&#8221; not &#8220;Lots of fin.&#8221; Oh, typos~! XD</p>
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		<title>By: Watermist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watermist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like pretty much everybody says, as SV and MM (well, I won&#039;t know about SV. My SV hunter is level 30 - what can I say? I&#039;m utterly in love with my main - looks like I struck gold when I made my very &lt;i&gt;first&lt;/i&gt; toon; a female Tauren MM hunter with a wolf XD), you could kill mobs before they come to you. I finally got LK a month ago and have been merrily running around Northrend, killing mobs in (I kid you not!) four hits. (Granted, I was geared quite nicely; I ran a lot of heroic instances.) I would just send in Howler, wait for him to pop off a growl, then get started with Serpent Sting, an Arcane shot, and a Concussive shot if situation calls for it, and then I end things with a Chimera Sting (an Aimed shot if necessary or a Kill shot. I&#039;m not used to Kill shot yet).

I doubt you should have too much issues soloing (I have no idea what Mazil was talking about. I leveled as a MM - which was since 2005, mind you - and compared to her, my BM, but especially my SV, hunters struggle with keeping the aggro on my pets!) as long as you&#039;re patient enough to let your pet get a growl off and keep all the heavy-hitting shots for when the mobs reach about 50% health.

That being said, what a great idea! It&#039;s not too different from what I&#039;m doing. I&#039;m slightly OCD about not changing my characters&#039; specs... ever (though I did got dual spec for Watermist; the second is BM because I don&#039;t expect to run any instances until 80 and I&quot;m not going to raid. That being said, in BC I had many &lt;i&gt;awesome&lt;/i&gt; adventures where as a newly minted level 70, I would successfully solo level 67 elites. Lot of fin) so hence my level 30 BM and 30 SV hunters (haven&#039;t played them in a while; I&#039;m busy with Watermist and my 70 Fire mage).

What I&#039;m really trying to say? Have fun! I bet you&#039;ll learn a lot and maybe even enjoy the different challenges those specs give you! (What am I saying? It&#039;s obvious you already are enjoying yourself! Lol. :D)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like pretty much everybody says, as SV and MM (well, I won&#8217;t know about SV. My SV hunter is level 30 &#8211; what can I say? I&#8217;m utterly in love with my main &#8211; looks like I struck gold when I made my very <i>first</i> toon; a female Tauren MM hunter with a wolf XD), you could kill mobs before they come to you. I finally got LK a month ago and have been merrily running around Northrend, killing mobs in (I kid you not!) four hits. (Granted, I was geared quite nicely; I ran a lot of heroic instances.) I would just send in Howler, wait for him to pop off a growl, then get started with Serpent Sting, an Arcane shot, and a Concussive shot if situation calls for it, and then I end things with a Chimera Sting (an Aimed shot if necessary or a Kill shot. I&#8217;m not used to Kill shot yet).</p>
<p>I doubt you should have too much issues soloing (I have no idea what Mazil was talking about. I leveled as a MM &#8211; which was since 2005, mind you &#8211; and compared to her, my BM, but especially my SV, hunters struggle with keeping the aggro on my pets!) as long as you&#8217;re patient enough to let your pet get a growl off and keep all the heavy-hitting shots for when the mobs reach about 50% health.</p>
<p>That being said, what a great idea! It&#8217;s not too different from what I&#8217;m doing. I&#8217;m slightly OCD about not changing my characters&#8217; specs&#8230; ever (though I did got dual spec for Watermist; the second is BM because I don&#8217;t expect to run any instances until 80 and I&#8221;m not going to raid. That being said, in BC I had many <i>awesome</i> adventures where as a newly minted level 70, I would successfully solo level 67 elites. Lot of fin) so hence my level 30 BM and 30 SV hunters (haven&#8217;t played them in a while; I&#8217;m busy with Watermist and my 70 Fire mage).</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m really trying to say? Have fun! I bet you&#8217;ll learn a lot and maybe even enjoy the different challenges those specs give you! (What am I saying? It&#8217;s obvious you already are enjoying yourself! Lol. <img src='http://www.aspectofthehare.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Voldenmist - derp, I must apologize, I fear my original comment may have come off more harsh than I meant it to. =X  Much &lt;3

@ the people asking if I spec&#039;d my pet - yes, I did!  I&#039;ve swapped specs too many times in Naxx to forget by now. *nod*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Voldenmist &#8211; derp, I must apologize, I fear my original comment may have come off more harsh than I meant it to. =X  Much &lt;3</p>
<p>@ the people asking if I spec&#8217;d my pet &#8211; yes, I did!  I&#8217;ve swapped specs too many times in Naxx to forget by now. *nod*</p>
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		<title>By: clra2</title>
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		<dc:creator>clra2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I specced SV when they nerfed BM and they had LnL on SS procs.  Those were the glory days of SV huntering.  LnL proc&#039;d so often it wasn&#039;t even funny.  Then they nerfed LnL.  Now it almost never procs for me thus I don&#039;t play SV anymore.  Black Arrow is a very good shot but it has such a long cooldown AND shares your trap&#039;s cooldown.  LnL does proc off of it but it rarely does for me.  SV is actually my &quot;primary spec&quot; and BM is my &quot;off spec&quot; but I&#039;m always in BM now.  I&#039;m thinking about changing my SV spec to MM just to check it out, but currently I&#039;m poor and have been trying to power level JC.

Every Hunter I&#039;ve seen running heroics or raids with me has always at some point whispered to me &quot;why BM?&quot;  They then explain that SV does more DPS than BM blah, blah.  I&#039;ve always replied &quot;because I love my spirit beast.&quot;  Yesterday I joined a Naxx10 group and they were up to Sapphiron.  This was the first time I&#039;ve ever done Sapphiron.  The other Hunter, a SV Hunter, was much better geared than me, in mostly Valorous and ilvl 213 gear.  I&#039;m in mostly Hero&#039;s and badge rewards gear, 2 crafted epics, and 3 pieces of Deadly Gladiator pvp gear.  I out DPSed him and was second in DPS in my raid (everyone had better gear than me actually), only getting edged out by a DPS warrior.  He /w me, &quot;lol you&#039;re making me look bad.&quot;  Makes me feel happy inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I specced SV when they nerfed BM and they had LnL on SS procs.  Those were the glory days of SV huntering.  LnL proc&#8217;d so often it wasn&#8217;t even funny.  Then they nerfed LnL.  Now it almost never procs for me thus I don&#8217;t play SV anymore.  Black Arrow is a very good shot but it has such a long cooldown AND shares your trap&#8217;s cooldown.  LnL does proc off of it but it rarely does for me.  SV is actually my &#8220;primary spec&#8221; and BM is my &#8220;off spec&#8221; but I&#8217;m always in BM now.  I&#8217;m thinking about changing my SV spec to MM just to check it out, but currently I&#8217;m poor and have been trying to power level JC.</p>
<p>Every Hunter I&#8217;ve seen running heroics or raids with me has always at some point whispered to me &#8220;why BM?&#8221;  They then explain that SV does more DPS than BM blah, blah.  I&#8217;ve always replied &#8220;because I love my spirit beast.&#8221;  Yesterday I joined a Naxx10 group and they were up to Sapphiron.  This was the first time I&#8217;ve ever done Sapphiron.  The other Hunter, a SV Hunter, was much better geared than me, in mostly Valorous and ilvl 213 gear.  I&#8217;m in mostly Hero&#8217;s and badge rewards gear, 2 crafted epics, and 3 pieces of Deadly Gladiator pvp gear.  I out DPSed him and was second in DPS in my raid (everyone had better gear than me actually), only getting edged out by a DPS warrior.  He /w me, &#8220;lol you&#8217;re making me look bad.&#8221;  Makes me feel happy inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Shagrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shagrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psh turtles...Warp Stalkers are where it&#039;s at.  I love their teleport and if nothing else, will annoy the crap out of anyone else around with their sounds :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psh turtles&#8230;Warp Stalkers are where it&#8217;s at.  I love their teleport and if nothing else, will annoy the crap out of anyone else around with their sounds <img src='http://www.aspectofthehare.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Darkwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darkwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pike,

 I am not going to try and give you advise on how to play a SV Hunter (My spec BTW) you have to figure that out yourself.
I spec&#039;ed a guildmate with the same spec as mine we both hit the training dummys and 30 min later she had quit and gone back to her old spec. cursing me saying that I was holding something back LOL.
Then a week or two later I did a run with her and low and behold she was using my spec and her DPS was even better than mine.
You see it takes time to unlearn play styles, you have to get in the head of a SV or MM hunter and really think about what you are doing. You control your DPS not your pet.

Darkwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pike,</p>
<p> I am not going to try and give you advise on how to play a SV Hunter (My spec BTW) you have to figure that out yourself.<br />
I spec&#8217;ed a guildmate with the same spec as mine we both hit the training dummys and 30 min later she had quit and gone back to her old spec. cursing me saying that I was holding something back LOL.<br />
Then a week or two later I did a run with her and low and behold she was using my spec and her DPS was even better than mine.<br />
You see it takes time to unlearn play styles, you have to get in the head of a SV or MM hunter and really think about what you are doing. You control your DPS not your pet.</p>
<p>Darkwood</p>
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