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		<title>By: Lass&#8217;s Take on Upcoming Hunter Nerfs &#124; The Hunter's Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lass&#8217;s Take on Upcoming Hunter Nerfs &#124; The Hunter's Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in-depth, both on the forums following Ghostcrawler&#8217;s announcement, and on many other blogs, so I won&#8217;t bore you with the details. If by some chance of fate you&#8217;ve been living [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ralowae</title>
		<link>http://www.aspectofthehare.net/2008/12/my-fellow-bm-hunters.html/comment-page-1#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralowae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theaah:  I agree.  I&#039;m in a small guild that&#039;s trying to get the numbers back to gear up and raid.  We don&#039;t want to do anything more than 10 man, and we certainly aren&#039;t going to be recruiting hardcore.  Our goal is a group of friends that can see content without it becoming a second job.  It seems to me like Blizzard made everything 10 mannable for my situation exactly, and I thank them for that.
With a little luck, everyone can play what they want to play, and we can still have what we need to raid.  While I&#039;m here, if anyone is on Zangarmarsh and looking for a small guild, contact me!
Ralowae and BlackTooth, Zangarmarsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theaah:  I agree.  I&#8217;m in a small guild that&#8217;s trying to get the numbers back to gear up and raid.  We don&#8217;t want to do anything more than 10 man, and we certainly aren&#8217;t going to be recruiting hardcore.  Our goal is a group of friends that can see content without it becoming a second job.  It seems to me like Blizzard made everything 10 mannable for my situation exactly, and I thank them for that.<br />
With a little luck, everyone can play what they want to play, and we can still have what we need to raid.  While I&#8217;m here, if anyone is on Zangarmarsh and looking for a small guild, contact me!<br />
Ralowae and BlackTooth, Zangarmarsh</p>
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		<title>By: Theaah</title>
		<link>http://www.aspectofthehare.net/2008/12/my-fellow-bm-hunters.html/comment-page-1#comment-4599</link>
		<dc:creator>Theaah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralowae: The best players are the ones who use the lump between their ears. There are many, many, many fights where being a smart player is better than being able to pump out top DPS. There are very few really tough DPS race fights that I know of (Brutallus pre 3.0 is the major one that comes to mind) and many more fights that are simply &quot;Do you know how not to stand in X? You do? Epix for you then!&quot;

It&#039;s been my experience that well prepared players and those that are situationally aware are the most desired players. Because after all, dead DPS does no DPS.


I think what Blizz did with Wrath in the way that you don&#039;t need to stack raids for max DPS anymore is a very good thing because it means you never have to bring *that guy* just because you won&#039;t get the boss down without a second heroism, you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralowae: The best players are the ones who use the lump between their ears. There are many, many, many fights where being a smart player is better than being able to pump out top DPS. There are very few really tough DPS race fights that I know of (Brutallus pre 3.0 is the major one that comes to mind) and many more fights that are simply &#8220;Do you know how not to stand in X? You do? Epix for you then!&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been my experience that well prepared players and those that are situationally aware are the most desired players. Because after all, dead DPS does no DPS.</p>
<p>I think what Blizz did with Wrath in the way that you don&#8217;t need to stack raids for max DPS anymore is a very good thing because it means you never have to bring *that guy* just because you won&#8217;t get the boss down without a second heroism, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Ralowae</title>
		<link>http://www.aspectofthehare.net/2008/12/my-fellow-bm-hunters.html/comment-page-1#comment-4601</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralowae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nerfs scare me, mostly the nerf to Steady Shot.  The volley nerf I can understand, as long as its reasonable... everything else...
Let&#039;s all withold judgement till we can get on the PTR.  damage meters and screenshots are our best tools to keep things from going too far.  If we have solid numbers they do seem to actually read it.

BM huntering is about fun for me.  I won&#039;t give up my hunter till he&#039;s no longer fun.  I run with good enough people that if I do my job in the raid, it doesn&#039;t matter if I&#039;m not doing more DPS than another mage, as long as I&#039;m competitive.  And from what I&#039;ve been hearing, you don&#039;t need to min/max your raid dps to succeed, you need skilled players to handle the fight mechanics.  (Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, raiders.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nerfs scare me, mostly the nerf to Steady Shot.  The volley nerf I can understand, as long as its reasonable&#8230; everything else&#8230;<br />
Let&#8217;s all withold judgement till we can get on the PTR.  damage meters and screenshots are our best tools to keep things from going too far.  If we have solid numbers they do seem to actually read it.</p>
<p>BM huntering is about fun for me.  I won&#8217;t give up my hunter till he&#8217;s no longer fun.  I run with good enough people that if I do my job in the raid, it doesn&#8217;t matter if I&#8217;m not doing more DPS than another mage, as long as I&#8217;m competitive.  And from what I&#8217;ve been hearing, you don&#8217;t need to min/max your raid dps to succeed, you need skilled players to handle the fight mechanics.  (Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, raiders.)</p>
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		<title>By: llwynog</title>
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		<dc:creator>llwynog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The volley nerf i can maybe understand (although blizz seem hellbent on making us just AoE raids instead of needing cc ala SSC) but nerfing steadyshot was just totally uncalled for... if the pet nerf and serpents swiftness fixed the &quot;bm is overpowered&quot; thing then why keep going?

In the back of my mind im semi-convinced that alot of the other players getting &quot;beaten by 30%&quot; in the data blizz are looking at are just BAD PLAYERS....

Atleast my alt is a rogue so i can just switch to him and go do some mega dp... /facepalm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The volley nerf i can maybe understand (although blizz seem hellbent on making us just AoE raids instead of needing cc ala SSC) but nerfing steadyshot was just totally uncalled for&#8230; if the pet nerf and serpents swiftness fixed the &#8220;bm is overpowered&#8221; thing then why keep going?</p>
<p>In the back of my mind im semi-convinced that alot of the other players getting &#8220;beaten by 30%&#8221; in the data blizz are looking at are just BAD PLAYERS&#8230;.</p>
<p>Atleast my alt is a rogue so i can just switch to him and go do some mega dp&#8230; /facepalm</p>
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		<title>By: Repaxan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repaxan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two things that worry me the most:

Steady Shot – now only gains 10% of attack power as damage (down from 20%).
Serpent’s Swiftness – now only grants 2/4/6/8/10% bonus attack speed to pet.

The Steady Shot alone is about a 15% nerf to all hunters&#039; personal DPS.

The Volley nerf... it&#039;s my belief that hunters should NOT be an AOE class. That should be left to the mages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two things that worry me the most:</p>
<p>Steady Shot – now only gains 10% of attack power as damage (down from 20%).<br />
Serpent’s Swiftness – now only grants 2/4/6/8/10% bonus attack speed to pet.</p>
<p>The Steady Shot alone is about a 15% nerf to all hunters&#8217; personal DPS.</p>
<p>The Volley nerf&#8230; it&#8217;s my belief that hunters should NOT be an AOE class. That should be left to the mages.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratshag</title>
		<link>http://www.aspectofthehare.net/2008/12/my-fellow-bm-hunters.html/comment-page-1#comment-4604</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratshag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting nerfed sucks, no matter what the details, so /hug.

Went through the retpally nerf while Kinnavieve was leveling, and it were pretty darn harsh. Took her from being able to aggro whatever the heck she wanted, kill it and its friends, and walk away whistling, to having to pay attention to what she was doing and exercise a bit of caution. GC were a boob fer calling this &quot;nerf to the ground, baby!&quot; &#039;cause it weren&#039;t. It were balancing things out to where they oughtta be.

Is this the same? Nope, but I think the general idea be similar. With it at least being tested on the PTR, &#039;stead of going straight to live in a hotfix the way the pally nerfs were (couldn&#039;t even wait til the next tuesday, the buggers) hopefully the final version&#039;ll be a reasoned and fair.

Having been through the 3.02 Shadow Priest nerf, I can tell ya THAT were a NERF. Pretty much every reason ta play a spriest got chucked out the window, and then some intern got assigned the job of recreating the class as see-through mages, but with not so much sheep. That were a nerf not only to the technical abilities, but to the very fun of being shadow. Which be why so many of us quit. Pretty sure that&#039;s not what&#039;s going on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting nerfed sucks, no matter what the details, so /hug.</p>
<p>Went through the retpally nerf while Kinnavieve was leveling, and it were pretty darn harsh. Took her from being able to aggro whatever the heck she wanted, kill it and its friends, and walk away whistling, to having to pay attention to what she was doing and exercise a bit of caution. GC were a boob fer calling this &#8220;nerf to the ground, baby!&#8221; &#8217;cause it weren&#8217;t. It were balancing things out to where they oughtta be.</p>
<p>Is this the same? Nope, but I think the general idea be similar. With it at least being tested on the PTR, &#8216;stead of going straight to live in a hotfix the way the pally nerfs were (couldn&#8217;t even wait til the next tuesday, the buggers) hopefully the final version&#8217;ll be a reasoned and fair.</p>
<p>Having been through the 3.02 Shadow Priest nerf, I can tell ya THAT were a NERF. Pretty much every reason ta play a spriest got chucked out the window, and then some intern got assigned the job of recreating the class as see-through mages, but with not so much sheep. That were a nerf not only to the technical abilities, but to the very fun of being shadow. Which be why so many of us quit. Pretty sure that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s going on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ llwynog-

You can, if you realize that we may have to rebuild BM hunter from the ground up to work around these changes.  You can, if you realize that BM hunter involves things like glyphs and pet selection and pet talent point selection and carefully fine-tuning your own talents.  There may be a glass ceiling but I don&#039;t think anyone has come close to hitting it yet, BM hunter or not.

Of course, if you&#039;re not having fun, then that&#039;s a different problem entirely.  I will stop playing a BM hunter the day I stop having fun.  That day is a long ways away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ llwynog-</p>
<p>You can, if you realize that we may have to rebuild BM hunter from the ground up to work around these changes.  You can, if you realize that BM hunter involves things like glyphs and pet selection and pet talent point selection and carefully fine-tuning your own talents.  There may be a glass ceiling but I don&#8217;t think anyone has come close to hitting it yet, BM hunter or not.</p>
<p>Of course, if you&#8217;re not having fun, then that&#8217;s a different problem entirely.  I will stop playing a BM hunter the day I stop having fun.  That day is a long ways away.</p>
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		<title>By: llwynog</title>
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		<dc:creator>llwynog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pike the problem is that as a Bm hunter you cant &quot;work harder&quot; ..... once you run an optimal rotation you literally cannot do anything to improve your dps other than get more gear :(


last in pvp and last in pve :(

atleast rogues can open locked doors :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pike the problem is that as a Bm hunter you cant &#8220;work harder&#8221; &#8230;.. once you run an optimal rotation you literally cannot do anything to improve your dps other than get more gear <img src='http://www.aspectofthehare.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>last in pvp and last in pve <img src='http://www.aspectofthehare.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>atleast rogues can open locked doors <img src='http://www.aspectofthehare.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ghostcrawler speaks - huge hunter nerf in coming &#171; steady shot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghostcrawler speaks - huge hunter nerf in coming &#171; steady shot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for a little optimism I will leave you with Pike on Aspect of the Hare: &#8220;So Blizz has the nerf bat and we’re the battered Big Red Piñata this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for a little optimism I will leave you with Pike on Aspect of the Hare: &#8220;So Blizz has the nerf bat and we’re the battered Big Red Piñata this [...]</p>
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